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Martin Rodgers:
So welcome to the entrepreneur’s survival guide. Lee is great to have you on board. Thank you very much for joining us. So, um, tell us, Lee, we’ve been talking a little bit beforehand. Tell us a little bit about your story and how did you get into coaching
Lee Chambers:
okay, so there are two parts to how I got into coaching. Initially, I graduated in 2007 into basically the credit crunch and found myself in a graduate position where I was advised really there was no potential for development of myself or anything more in terms of, you know, future prospects. Until financial situation looked rosier. So what actually happened was I kind of took that as a personal message that the most important thing for me to do would be to develop myself.
Martin Rodgers: okay. Yeah.
Lee Chambers:
In that process, I started investing in developing myself academically, um, really research it into how I could develop myself if a situation like this arose again, where corporate corporates and businesses weren’t able to invest in me. So I took the accountability for my own personal development and kind of move forward with that. Uh, the start, I started a business in the video game industry, and that gave the income and also the flexibility to study alongside running my business. So that was really helpful cause it, what it allows me to do is study across numerous areas of personal development from fitness to sleep to nutrition to psychology over a period of time, which really benefited me because I was able to apply these concepts to my life and develop and grow as a person.
Martin Rodgers:
Yeah. Okay. So you had some challenges in life, but I think from there what you’re saying is you really envisaged where did you want to go and that you weren’t willing to accept some of the challenges that were put before you and you took accountability for that to design your own life to go wherever is you wanted to go.
Lee Chambers:
Yeah, so it developed further in 2014 because unfortunately, I suffer from a rare, autoimmune disease, and it actually left me unable to walk. So I spent a month in the hospital, and I was really well looked after a while. Unfortunately, I sustained a lot of damage to my knees due to the swelling. And I was actually found myself being dispatched in a wheelchair, unable to walk and completely relying on the family and support network. So it was a difficult time for me personally. Uh, my son was 18 months old, and my wife was pregnant at the time with my daughter. So looking back now, it was a, it was a challenging time, and I felt like I went through a lot. I really struggled initially to deal with the fact I’ve gone from being very independent, playing sports, you know, being quite social to having even the most basic tasks have been showered and making food for myself and struggling to do basic everyday tasks.
Lee Chambers:
So I had six months physiotherapy, six months hydrotherapy and a lot from my consultants to get my mobility back. And after six months I was back on my feet physically unaided without crutches or sticks. And that was five years ago now. And I’ve continued to work towards being able to, you know, keep my mobility, um, and keep myself well. And healthy and I mean that kind of cycles into the second point. If during that process I had to do a lot of work with myself, uh, both physically and mentally to try and optimise my life. So, so I experimented with my sleep. I experimented with the things I was eating. I was experimenting with the amount of movement I was making. I was experimenting with so many different things, the inputs I took in. Uh, in terms of like level, against positive to negative like where my focus was and really working to optimise my life the best I could because yes, I have challenges, but, many people have challenges.
And during that time, I didn’t receive much help mentally. I often look back and say physically the hospital and my consultant, they did everything they could from me. And I’m very, very grateful for what they gave me. But mentally, I suffered. I was socially isolated. I’ve been removed from the competitive element of the sports that I played in the teams. I couldn’t just jump in the car and go and see my friends anymore. And work-wise, I found myself working from home quite isolated. So I kind of feel that my coaching journey, really started at that point where I felt have these difficulties, but I’m going to be resilient and work through them. And I started to work through them and try different things. Pulling back the things I’ve learned from all the courses that I’d done and try to implement them in my life as one by one, taking things out, adding things in seeing what works for me. T hat really started in my coaching journey because I started to realise that it would be incredibly fulfilling to help people who are in a similar situation to me and so worked on there lives and to the see how in a bespoke way they could get the most out of themselves as well. No matter what challenges they face.
Martin Rodgers:
Yeah, it sounds amazing. I can relate to a lot of that because I set up my business in 2009, and it was in a hospital bed as well. Does having a setback with my kidney transplant. Um, well with ‘the’ kidney transplant and um, went through that kind of same mental journey by no means the challenges that you faced. And managed to overcome, which is awesome. But like you say, that kind of moment in life when something happens, and you are at a crossroads, you can go one way or a next or the other way. Um, so I think that’s rather incredible. What were the beliefs that you kind of set up for yourself that allowed you to start that journey? Cause I think that’s one of the key areas is having the right beliefs in place?
Lee Chambers:
Yeah. What I really took to heart was when I was in the hospital bed, the doctors and consultants I saw it was different messages. I saw a doctor, and he said, I can see physically, yeah, you’re in shape so you should be okay in 3 months you’ll be absolutely fine. Some other doctors came in and said, Oh, look at the damage in your knees. You need to prepare yourself mentally for a difficult period in life, you might not get back to where you were. So I kind of as a kind of like functionally thinking individual, you kind of take those messages and you know these are people are trained to give an opinion. So you kind of, you do take it in. But I was adamant, I will be off and running and playing with my children again. As quickly as I possibly could, and that was a real driving factor for me.
Lee Chambers:
I didn’t want to, wallow and think of the difficulties I wanted to take my present situation, make the most of that so that in the future I could attempt to get back to the level I was at and possibly even, I was thinking to myself, I could rebound resiliently and actually get higher and bounce higher than I was because the sudden like gratitude that you get when you have, what feels like something you’ve taken for granted. Taken away, that rush of gratitude can really help you bounce. And actually, suddenly you go above and beyond where you were before because you, you didn’t put boundaries and limits because you were taking it for granted.
Martin Rodgers:
Yep. Yep. Absolutely. I get that. So the doctors were almost like the devil and the angel in your internal voice, I’m guessing on the outside, that’s pretty weird. But you managed to find the positive way forward. And what I heard from that is you had a particular reason which was family and children to push forward. I think what might be interesting is since you’ve gone into coaching, what, what do you think is some of the ways that people can find that goal, that reason to push forward when they’ve not had a major life-changing event happen?
Lee Chambers:
Yeah, and I think that that is something that I’ve kind of got into because so so many personal development journeys are triggered by a life-changing event. So it’s distilling it for people. People will take inspiration from other people’s life-changing events. But people who’ve not necessarily had a life-changing event. It’s getting clarity on the goals and ambitions and dreams. Because I feel that most humans have a want to actualise the potential and no matter what level they’re at, even the highest achievers that I’ve worked with still have more capacity and more to give and want to kind of push forward still. Um, everyone has the barriers. Um, again, even, even the, even there, even high achievers, they hit plateaus.
They want to push past and the functional coaching that I offer it targets a broad range of disciplines and fundamentals because everyone has a weakness that they would, you know, ultimately I’d like to address if they can see a positive benefit to it on the other side. So really coaching is starting to gain traction in terms of people understanding, where, the benefits but we’re still very much in the infancy of that.
People don’t often, like in a world where coaches are well established, such as in the sports field, I’ve worked in the sports field previously, um, people don’t tend to see all the coaches behind the star players. Yeah. They don’t, they don’t see the team of 10 coaches optimising different things behind that one celebrity and the hours of deliberate practice that have been uh, been applied. For them to get to the level where their performing, yeah. So when you discuss and look at people’s goals and ambitions, because so many people don’t have clarity on the goals and ambitions.
Martin Rodgers:
okay.
Lee Chambers:
Let’s see. The first, one of the first things I do as a coach is really delving into people’s purpose and the goals, the goals and ambitions that are raised from that. So I believe, that really is to the starting point because so many people go through life not truly understanding themselves, not really following their own path and forging their own standard of life. So when you get people interested in thinking what am I here to do, what really am I passionate about, if you can distil that, and make that clear. So then a lot more open to change in elements of the life to try and actualise and achieve that because they realise if I actually do that I will be fulfilled. So that is how I as a coach, by distilling and clarity and purpose toward the goals and ambitions ultimately people, people are chasing a dream. I think the big thing is they need to understand why.
Martin Rodgers:
Yeah.
Lee Chambers:
Because most people have an idea of what they want, but they never truly ask themselves why. And it’s the way that will get them through the challenges, the obstacles and the barriers they face. They have a strong enough why I always take it that. Would you, would you run across a plank across two buildings, if somebody gave you a $1,000 if there was a skyscraper No., but if those planks were across and the other building had, was burning and had family members on it that you could go and save, you’d run across no money, you wouldn’t even think to it. It’ss just that why power. It’s actually the most important thing to instil in clients, why do they want what they want.
Martin Rodgers:
So going back to some of the stuff that we talked about, um, earlier, what we’re saying from that then, or what you’re saying from that Lee, is that everybody has a certain pain somewhere it might not be a physical element or physical illness that they’ve been hit with, but somewhere inside there’s a, there’s a pain because they know they want to go somewhere and it’s about distilling that down to really understand where they’re at, the present moment, what building is on fire and what, where do they need to get to And by clarifying that you move potentially from motivation to inspiration. A and I think to me, to me, I’ve always, you’re absolutely right in terms of those two buildings, you know, motivation. Um, particularly in the corporate world, for example, is your bonus scheme. That’s that 1,000 pounds you talked about to get to the other building. But what’s the inspiration What’s deeper down And from what you say in that as a coach, you really help people to articulate that cause they know it’s bubbling away somewhere, but actually being able to put it into words and consciously understand it, to use it as a driver is a different level altogether.
Lee Chambers:
Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. It’s that, it’s finding that for people and then giving them a framework to help them get towards it. Because even the most devout, and you know, the routine individual doesn’t have that level of accountability to themselves. Like they would have to a coach. Um, they’re always slightly, no matter how unbiased you try to be, you will always be, you always give yourself more leeway than you would if you were being accountable to somebody else.
Martin Rodgers:
Yeah. I think we’re always hardest on ourselves and we’re always easiest on ourselves as well. We’re happy to let ourselves off the hook. There’s always a little voice that says well, I can do this tomorrow.
Or actually, do you know what It doesn’t matter so much now, but if you’ve got a meeting with a coach coming up, you’ve got to articulate, you’ve got to say that to them and look them in the eye and all of a sudden that becomes a very different world altogether, right
Lee Chambers:
Oh yeah. It works, as you said, it works in such an interesting way because most people’s negative self-talk is incredibly critical. They would not articulate that to another person. But, they’ll happily say it to themselves, and we’ve got to be realistic. We have negative thoughts. We’re wired to protect ourselves and be secure. So that does trigger negative thoughts. We have to try and find a balance between our negative and positive thoughts, but it’s also true that we will, we will be easy on ourselves, Unless we’re accountable, because that’s ultimately.
Lee Chambers:
There is a level of comfort there and, its pleasant as a human being to be in your comfort zone.
Martin Rodgers:
Yes. Very nice and cosy.
Lee Chambers:
Yes. with a log fire
Martin Rodgers:
Yeap nice big rug to wrap yourself into so, I mean, I think Dr Steven Peters talks about the monkey brain and like you say that fight or flight we naturally respond. Are wired to feel like we’re in the jungle and what’s going to protect us and save us versus what’s potentially going to put us in danger. Um, so like you say a coach will help make sure that you push forward out of the jungle. Trying to continue on an analogy of that.
Lee Chambers:
Oh yeah. I mean ultimately, we are a Chimp, but we also are human.
Martin Rodgers:
So you’ve been, you started off the real coaching in 2014 I think, and you’ve been coaching full time now for the last six months, what would you say is the biggest tip that you can give for people to be successful either in their business, entrepreneur life, or just their personal life.
Lee Chambers:
okay. I think the biggest take away for me from a, from success obviously success is a different person to person its a very individual vision, um, and that’s something, that people should also consider defining and why they have chosen that as their version of success. Okay. I think the biggest thing that I’ve taken is accountability. For your actions and ownership of your decisions. Both in the past, in the present, and, you’re future direction because really we without that, it’s very difficult to change. If you can direct why such an event happened to attribute. Attribute, it or blame it on something else. It was this like, back for me, I could have easily said, Oh no one’s going to train me, and there’s a credit crunch. So there’s no money for training. I’ll just stay in my comfort zone and not improve myself and wait until there is some money in. Um, but it’s kind of like you have to take accountability for your life you’ve got to almost grab it, grab it. Grab it by the collar, and take ownership. It’s mine. If I want something, it’s up to me ultimately. And I think a big step for people is you need to understand yourself.
Martin Rodgers: okay.
Lee Chambers:
Because without that self-awareness, the self-understanding its actually quite difficult to change it. If you start to understand why you are like you are, why the past events have happened, and how you can actually shape the future because you’re mostly in control of it. There’s always going to be things out of your control. But it’s how you react to those things. And you are always in control of your own actions and your own; in a world and when you start to realise that and kind of look back and start to identify why previous things have happened because; of the of the actions that you’ve taken and the things that you thought about it , or both that because you can in some ways reframe your past and start to understand that actually all these things that happened to me, some awful things have happened to people that they weren’t in control of. And it’s very difficult to overcome these things sometimes. But, you can always take, you know, that little, little diamonds out of all the rough. And realise that, you know what, how I, frame this situation, and how I understand why I reacted that way, I can change that if I understand it. And that’s the biggest thing, the biggest thing I’ve taken and naturally as a coach. Not everyone is in a position to be coached. Not everyone wants to be coached. Some people almost revel in the fact that they are struggling and life is a struggle. And, if you do, if you do truly want to change, do need at a base level, feel that you can, and understand that you can yeah. And I think that’s the biggest thing to take from me in terms of coaching and success.
Martin Rodgers
Okay. So not judging the past per se and being hard on yourself about it, but accepting what happened and why it happened and then being self-aware to take different actions, better actions may be going forward and a coach while you can do that. While you can do that by yourself, a coach will help you to accelerate that process and also not just go back into the self wallowing and as well. they’ll pull you forward and make sure you just keep in that self-awareness zone of really going, well actually this is what happened, and this is what I can do better as opposed to
Lee Chambers:
Exactly, and I think that through deep listening, you start to pick up people’s people’s ways and methods and how they see the world and use it. Using that listening to its then a case of questioning because coaching is these questions, skills are what are the biggest tools that we have rarely if we can question people in the right way, it really can open up different avenues and different viewpoints and really about them fake. It’s questions that you don’t tend to ask yourself because w we black again, we always tend to be ready to judge ourselves and be critical of this ought to be appreciative. Well, we don’t, we tend to be looking for answers. We don’t tend to be asking ourselves these questions. That’s where I caught really connect. So by just continuing to question in a non-judgmental environment. Yeah. Okay. People tend to open up because they feel safe. You know, with my clients I have, I have open, honest conversations. Um, once you build that kind of relationship, they are then able to take questions that do in different directions or understand that really as a coach, I am that to help them. Yeah. Dedicated to them and their goal and they’re why. Yes. No stops the treatment. For those that haven’t got a cage by the side. And if questions are so vital, I’m putting you a little bit on the spot here. What, what do you think is the number one question that potentially people can ask themselves Um, to actually start their journey towards the, of the building and get away from the burning building are really fake. The best question to ask is simple. It, what are my goals okay, yeah.
Lee Chambers:
Oh, why do I have these goals?
Martin Rodgers
okay, so the two questions.
Lee Chambers
Yeah. I think it’s also ‘why do I have the goals I have’.
Martin Rodgers
Okay. Why do I have the goals I have
Lee Chambers
Yeah.
Martin Rodgers
And then probably just, would you recommend that they use a, do that on a pen and paper. Write it down as opposed to free flowing it. I mean, if you’re driving along when you ask yourself why do I have these goals The brain can wander off a little bit as opposed to if you’re writing down, that maybe keep me on track a little bit more. What do you think?
Lee Chambers
Oh yeah, definitely. I’ll definitely recommend writing down. I, firstly, I recommend to my clients that they write the goals down every morning. The element of writing really solidifies the clarity on the goals, but also very early in the morning when we, you know, we walk up, and we’re awake, and we’re receptive.
It’s really a great time for us to write our goals down because then we take them with us throughout the day and we have a tendency to look back on the goals and see if the actions we’ve taken are congruent with our goals. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Martin Rodgers
Cause it’s in the forefront of your mind. Or, am I behaving, and is that aligned with my, why And my I goals I’ve read this morning. So its at the forefront of your conscious mind.
Lee Chambers
and that’s the simple way of implementing questioning, to yourself because writing them down every day as well, you really start. If you start, I, I’m, I’m a big believer in the morning and routines. Okay. Because I honestly believe that how you start your day has a massive impact on the U level performance for the day. I believe if you really focus in the morning, on, before you start inputting other people’s agendas or other information. So I think they say like 56% of people wake up and look at the phone. The first thing they do, they’ll look at social media or email. Oh, whatever they were looking at before they went to bed.
Martin Rodgers
I don’t want to name any names, but this doesn’t sound like my wife at all.
Lee Chambers
No. We, we use, uh, tend to charge it next to our bed. It’s become like a charge at the end of the day, which is in itself is not a problem. But I honestly believe that you really do need to start your day asking what you want. So, I’ve been in your realm, so I always advise that the, one of the first things my clients do when they were waking up is have five to 10 minutes of self-reflection, wherever it’s through sitting in silence and thinking, pray, meditation. Uh, just being mindful and thinking about what they plan for the day. That ultimately means that you start your day with your priorities.
Martin Rodgers.
I guess at the end of the day, your life’s road, your life’s journey is going to be painted out in front of you no matter what and, you’ve got a choice of whether do you paint your own road or do you let somebody paint it for you
And if you pick it up to your mobile phone, then Mr Zuckerberg’s probably going to be painting it for ya and making that road as opposed to like you say, using mindfulness to reflect and decide your own journey.
Lee Chambers
Exactly. And the beauty in that is really people should be designing their own lives because that autonomy to do that, is one of the biggest things which makes people feel happy. Yeah. To have that control in the real world where many people have nine to five jobs with all overtime here and being on email there, that’s at least 8 hours of your day where you don’t have autonomy. So, it’s really important, and I always advocate that we should have a morning and an evening routine. Those bookends as a time of day where we have the most control even if we’re even if we are an employee. So those are the times you have control.
So really it’s time for you. It’s time to, you know, have deep relationships with the people. You love. It’s time for your reflection. Um, we all have different ways of relaxing. But, I would always advocate, spend a little bit of time each morning and each evening on you.
Martin Rodgers
Yeah. So you’re not that an hour of deep meditation or any fancy yoga moves where you bend over backwards. So you literally do suggest five minutes to actually just reflect and, and decide what you want and what you’ve achieved.
Lee Chambers
Oh, definitely. Yeah. Cause I think in society we have, uh, we are, we sometimes have a very much all or nothing approach. So the new year come round and someone who’s got a lot of time stress will say, right, I’m stressed. But, I’m going to spend 30 minutes doing yoga in the morning, in 30 minutes, meditation at night. Um, well that in itself is a lovely proposition.
But, if we’re going to implement new habits, and algorithms into our lives that are productive, it needs to be smallifyied almost. It needs to be so small that you’ve got no excuse to do it. You won’t talk yourself out of it because it’s, it’s right. You know, if you start meditating for a minute or two a day because it’s right, it’s actually quite difficult for our brain to say, Oh, don’t have time for that. Very difficult to justify to ourselves. Whereas if we’re trying to do things so big, it will start. I think the biggest way is these skills work our abilities in the same way that is going to the gym and working the muscle would. Yeah. When we first go to a gym, we’re not doing a hundred of an exercise with a really heavyweight. . We’re doing one when we first start, we very slowly over the months build it up. Really need to train or brain and focus exactly the same.
Yeah, and really I it not a great way to look at it and I think it’s, so poignant as well. Gym referenced there because that is an awful lot of people really consciously aware that that’s massive to prevent physical ailments and keep your physical body in tip-top shape.
Martin Rodgers
There seems to be. Obviously, there’s a massive focus on mental health at the present moment and how to get over mental health once you have a mental health challenge. But what about stopping it in the first place And I think what you’re talking about here, these routines are, Ideal things for people to set up and start doing to prevent mental health challenges in the first place from occurring.
Lee Chambers.
Oh definitely. And I mean that meditation is definitely the equivalent of training for the mind. And, it’s not as it’s not a skill that people will pick up quickly.
It does take dedication and time. But it’s very much incremental. Those few minutes every day. I don’t feel like very much, but after a few much but, you’ll just feel that little bit karma. I know as the years go by, you really can have a difference. If we get 1% better every day, it really compounds in a, in a, in a significant way. And I think that in in a world where people, like to trying to be a hundred percent better overnight, the compounded interest, small marginal incremental gains. Little, if we take out a single bad habit and install a new one in its place, the difference it can make in your life is amazing. Yeah. But cause it’s so small, it just seems insignificant. Yeah. And it’s insignificant for the, for the short term, but in the medium, to long term, it can be incredibly significant.
Martin Rodgers
So again it can be, it’s just like not going to the gym and expecting to be ripped the next day.
Lee Chambers:
Well yeah, if I go into the gym once or a few times. Okay. And expecting like you probably take like it takes at least a month to see a difference too. Even the most involved in the new routine. Yeah. So it’s like, yeah. And again, I think the gym analogy works really well because people can see like the physical aspect where it’s quite difficult to see the growth your making, and you know neural pathways in mind in your brain
Martin Rodgers
it is a little bit of a challenge. Definitely. Um, so moving forward, we’ve everything that we’ve just mentioned. What, what do you think some of the biggest challenges are for business owners at the moment to face, and how do you think that they should start to overcome those?
Lee Chambers
Is this in terms of coaching businesses or businesses in general?
Martin Rodgers
Business owners in general. A lot of our listeners are business owners or entrepreneurs, and they have certain challenges to face in the future that are coming up. What do you think some of those challenges might be so they can anticipate and how do you think we might be able to overcome them?
Lee Chambers
okay, so I mean big challenges I tend to see, especially for entrepreneurs and small business owners, are still the traditional wearing a lot of hats that require a wide variety of skillsets.
From my own personal experience. I’ve run a small business since 2008 and I’ve worn a lot of hats over those years as we’ve had to pivot into different industries and the, unfortunately, the situation with the volatility in Europe has recently meant we’ve pivoted again.
Martin Rodgers
I love the way you said that without mentioning the B-word.
Lee Chambers
Exactly.
Martin Rodgers
That’s amazing.
Lee Chambers
But ultimately, yeah, often I think that keeping our skillsets varied and our hats moving is important because we do need to be flexible and use our adaptability because the industry changes very quickly. And as an entrepreneur on the smaller end of the scale, our biggest asset is our flexibility and adaptability. Um, but a big one for me personally as a coach, obviously I’m coaching small business owners, is that work-life integration, is more important than work-life balance because your business needs you to do your most valuable work.
At, the most productive level you can do. So I quite often work with small business owners who, are, work incredibly hard. Well, but they are neglecting in their wellbeing. Okay. They’re missing out on sleep. And because of time constraints, they eat poorly. they’re not getting the amount of movement that they need to uh, some, uh, kind of leaving it aside cause he says it makes them too tired to work effectively. Some are going the gym cause they are again many entrepreneurs are driven, people. They’re going to the gym. But then they are sat down all day sat down all evening. The only actual time they’re active or up all day, is one hour in the gym and the sedimentary sorry for the rest of the time, which unfortunately is well documented, sedentary is like the new thing you don’t want to be if you want to live a long and healthy life.
Yeah. So it’s, it’s finding ways to bake these fundamentals in. Cause if you don’t sleep well, you’re probably not going to eat well the next day. You’re not going to move enough, and you’re not going to end up with a good night sleep again and means it affects your focus and suddenly that work that you’re doing that that you could have done in 2 hours takes three hours, and then you start procrastinating that you’re feeling a bit more tired and it takes four hours and then it then impacts on your, on your family time. So you don’t spend as much time with your loved ones as you could do. Really as an entrepreneur you balancing and you know, your energy into, you work, and, your love. Yeah. And you need to integrate all these things. So actually you get time to do everything and live a fulfilling life.
Martin Rodgers
Okay. So yeah, see you’ve mentioned that twice the word integration as opposed to balance, I guess. And that is really interesting. So some of the biggest challenges you talked about is the external environment is changing rapidly and entrepreneurs and business owners really need to be conscious of that and be flexible in their approach by thinking about the different hats they’re wearing at different times and integrating different activities into their day to day routine to make sure they’re not sedimentary from what you were saying, which I’m quite pleased you said that. Cause I’m at my stand-up desk, so I’ve, my watch tells me off for standing still at my desk. So that’s still not good enough. I still have to move around. Right.
Lee Chambers
Well it’s all small algorithms that are perfect. I mean there’s, there’s been a lot of, been a lot of research into it. Recently. John Birchcos, who worked with NASA, she was in charge of the space launch. And, she wanted to know why the astronauts were ageing so much, and it was because of the effects of being up in space station, uh, not subjected to gravity. Being not subject to gravity is similar, sitting on a chair. Yeah. Because you not, you’re not moving, so you’re not subject to the forces. So they were saying there was a significant amount of ageing due to effectively sit in a chair, which is why the standard desk man, it’s a big difference because of you now subject to gravity and those forces.
Martin Rodgers
I think from that whole period, people, there’s so much value that you’ve given throughout there. If people listened to this podcast even once or twice, they’d probably pick up some fantastic tips and value that you offer there less. So that’s incredible. Um, tell us a little bit about your business specifically and how people can get into touch with you, um, to try and get some of this support that you’re telling us about.
Lee Chambers
Okay. So I’m available on most social media channels. We are @essentialise on Twitter. And, we are essentialise on Facebook, on Instagram. Okay. Now we have a website which is www.essentialise.co.uk, And we do have a blog there where there’s content going out on similar topics, especially surrounding digital minimalism, morning and evening routines. Uh, we do quite a lot of habits, rewiring, um, Oh. Using algorithms to input things into your life and take things out and , it’s a really valuable skill for people to learn, like if/ then implementation, so that’s something that we’re really big on and yeah, we just really focused on making have an impact and getting people to make little changes, which make a massive difference the lives.
Martin Rodgers
Cool. So they can find you across all the social media channels. We’ll put some links in the podcast description on the blog, so they can find you. And what you mentioned there was everything pretty much that you’ve mentioned throughout this podcast they can find out more detail or more information about that and get in touch with yourself to accelerate their success.
Lee Chambers
Indeed.
Martin Rodgers
Brilliant. Thank you ever so much for your time today. Really appreciate it and look forward to hearing more from you in the future. Thank you,
Lee Chambers
Martin. It was a pleasure.
